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I’m completely addicted to Pinterest. Once I’m on, I can’t get away (a friend of mine has compared it to crack!). Pin! Pin! Repin! Ooooh, check out that image! Repin it!!


But I’ve had to stay away lately. And I’ve taken down all of my boards.

What?!!!!


Yes. I loved my boards. I loved looking at all of those images. They were such delicious eye candy!!! So much inspiration! But I had to take them down. Ever since I started pinning I’ve had this little voice in the back of my head whispering “copyright.... copyright.... copyright.” Yes, that’s a little creepy, but that’s the truth of it.

Here’s the thing. Too many people believe that if an image is on the internet it must be “public domain.” The reality is, that unless an image was created before 1923 or unless you know for certain that it’s been dedicated to the public domain (e.g., there is language that says “I dedicate this image to the public domain”), it may still be protected by copyright laws. And the copyright law says that only the copyright owner has the right to make copies of the work.

That means when someone pins an image from the internet without getting permission from the copyright owner, that may be creating a copy that constitutes copyright infringement.

But how can that be? Pinterest makes it so easy!! Read the fine print my friends. The Terms of Use you agreed to when signing up with Pinterest say:

  1. You represent when you pin an image that you are the owner of that image OR you have the rights or licenses to the image AND that posting of the image will not infringe the copyright of another party;
  2. You agree not to post, upload, publish, submit, provide access to or transmit any image that violates a third party’s copyrights; 
  3. You agree to defend, indemnify, and hold Pinterest harmless for the images you post or your violation of Pinterest’s Terms of Use.
 [the above terms are paraphrased for ease of reading here. To read the details, go to Terms of Use]

What does all that mean? It means that if you pin an image, you’d better have the right to make a copy of the image because if Pinterest gets sued by the copyright owner, YOU may be the one held liable AND you may have to pay all of Pinterest’s costs in dealing with any copyright issues that arise as the result of your pins. And it means that it is your responsibility to determine if an image you’re pinning is protected by copyright.

That really ought to make you think before you pin.

But.... you say, I should be OK. I go to the original source! I give the owner credit! I am sending traffic to their site by pinning their images! 

All of that may be true and your intentions pure. But here’s the bottom line. Copyright laws give the copyright owner the right to make copies of their work. Not you. Not me. And that’s how it should be. But even if you feel you are helping the artist out, and even if pinning their image drives tons of traffic to their site: the choice to make a copy of their work by pinning it is just not your choice to make. It’s theirs. 

Just because technology makes it easy to copy doesn’t make it right.

"Fair use! Fair use!" you cry. Typically "fair use" is a defense to copyright infringement when images are used for news commentary or educational purposes, neither of which is typically the case with images on Pinterest (I know, you are probably saying, "doesn't pinning an image make it news?" I doubt it).  The best argument for fair use may lie in the case Kelly v. Arriba Soft, where the court found that a search engine that used thumbnails to index images was fair use. Unfortunately, there are big differences here.  On Pinterest, images aren't thumbnails, they're full size. And, unlike the defendant in the Kelly case, Pinterest itself is not the one taking action to collect the images: its users are. (Think "Napster.") So while it's possible pinning images is a fair use for a user, it is only a possibility, and a remote one at that.


Some sites like Flickr have started using a “no pin” code to help their image owners prevent pinning without their permission. But my hope is that some artists will recognize the value of having their images pinned (more recognition, more website traffic) and will start to add “Pin it” buttons to their websites, giving Pinterest users an implicit license to pin the images. 

Some may say that taking down my boards is an extreme measure. But to me, taking down my boards is the right thing to do — really, the only thing to do. Sure I had some images on my boards that were OK... many that were images of antique patterns from long before 1923. But instead of trying to sort them and figure out what was OK and what wasn’t, I’ve decided to start again. Clean break.

And it feels good.

To read more, check out these links for others thinking along the same lines as I am:

http://www.businessinsider.com/pinterest-copyright-issues-lawyer-2012-2?utm_source=twbutton&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sai
http://www.betabeat.com/2012/02/25/flickr-blocks-pinterest-users-from-posting-copyrighted-content/
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/250700/what_you_should_know_about_pinterest_and_copyright.html
http://bloggingwithamy.com/pinterest-legal/
http://directmatchmedia.com/pinterest-copyright.php

Oh... one more thing. I am a former intellectual property attorney. So yes, I have an idea of what I’m talking about. And no, none of the above constitutes legal advice.

~ Sarah

 


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03/07/2012 07:57

Can I subscribe to the blog by email?

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Sarah
03/07/2012 18:12

Cathleen -- click the "RSS feed" button to the right side of the blog. You should be able to subscribe. Getting it in your email may depend on how you have your preferences set up on your computer. On my Mac, in my Mac Mail Preferences, I can set my preferred RSS reader to Mail. Then the blog posts are sent to my email program. If you have trouble subscribing, please email info@surfacepatterndesignguild.org.

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Kiera
03/07/2012 13:05

Sarah,

Thanks so much for writing about this. It's eye-opening. I have so many questions, as I'm sure many others in the art, design, and tech worlds do.

If someone pins a photo of a piece of fabric to Pinterest, and the pinner hasn't gotten permission to use the image and it's not in the public domain, which copyright owner is potentially being violated: the creator of the photograph or the creator of the fabric? Or both?

-Kiera

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Sarah
03/07/2012 17:21

Kiera -- Good question. Since there is a copyright in the design and a copyright in the photo, both would likely be violated.

Think of it this way: it's YOUR design, and your best friend's photo. You gave your friend permission (a license) to take a picture of your design. The photo is a copy or a "derivative work" of your design, both of which copyright gives you control over. Your friend posted the photo on her blog (with your permission). Now someone pins it without your or her permission. Your friend's copyright in the photo was violated and your copyright in your design was violated.

I hope that helps.

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Kiera
03/07/2012 20:13

Yes, that was helpful! Thank you

Kristy
03/09/2012 18:42

Wow....it sounds endlessly limiting when I read this! I sew garments for sale, and do not purchase my fabric directly from the designers themselves, but retail stores. In order to sell my finished products I must take photographs to share (which I always watermark for protection)....does this put me in potential violation of the original designer of every print I have ever photographed?

As for Pinterest, I keep seeing it compared to Napster and just don't believe the intent of the 2 to be the same. Napster was blatantly taking something of value to use oneself without paying for it, Pinterest is a visual bookmarking system. Perhaps this is just my simple view as that is how I use it, but it seems that if we dig deep enough everything in life can be a "legal" violation in some form.... I find myself wanting to sing that song "why does everything have to be so complicated?".....but then, was that too just a copyright violation of her lyrics??? Head spinning!!! :)

Sarah
03/10/2012 00:35

Kristy - good questions. The "first sale" doctrine in copyrights states that when you legitimately acquire an article that embodies a copyrighted work, you may generally use and sell that article without fear of infringement, although generally you cannot make more copies. When you buy a book, you are free to sell it at a garage sale, etc. And when you buy fabric, you can make it into whatever you want and sell it... you can resell the fabric too. But here's the fuzzy area: you are still not allowed to make copies. When you take the photo of the fabric, you are making a copy of the protected design. There have been a couple instances where owners of licensed characters on fabrics went after some ebay sellers. I am not super familiar with them, but my understanding is that in each of those cases, they were settled out of court, perhaps because the copyright owners did not want to risk the results in court. While I'm not 100% positive, both common sense and my gut tell me that if you own a legitimate copy you should be able to sell it, including posting a picture of the article you are selling.

As for the comparison to Napster, I disagree with you. In both instances, the entities encourage users to post and share: with Napster, users were encouraged to upload their music and share with others. With Pinterest, users are encouraged to pin and share pictures. Both entities largely turned a blind eye to the copyright issues.

There are two things especially notable with Pinterest. First, users are discouraged from uploading and sharing their own work (See "Pin Etiquette" under "Help" on Pinterest). I find this ironic in the sense that often the only images you can be certain you have a right to post are your own. Pinterest is more or less telling its users go out and find other peoples' images to pin (copy). Second, if Pinterest is just a bookmarking system, why is there no "private" option? It seems to me that part of what makes Pinterest so much fun is seeing what others have pinned and then "repining," which of course leads to more sharing and copying.

Kristy
03/10/2012 06:25

Thanks Sarah, I do see your points. I have thought that strange before myself that they tell you not to self promote.....kind of talking out of both sides of their mouth so to say. Also a very good point about it being private. I'd be just as pleased to have my boards private since I do use it primarily as a bookmarking tool. I like the ability to share with my friends and others who have similar interests and have found so many great things this way, but would give that up to have it private, and keep the ease of use without violating a fellow artist in any way. I hope Pinterest is paying attention to the concerns of users and acts with integrity.....for me.....I've begun the sifting of my pins to make sure they are all welcomed by their original source and am deleting anything I'm unclear about.
Certainly appreciate the discussion on this topic!

pamela
03/08/2012 09:20

This brings some questions to mind.

I used to use delicio.us for my bookmarks, and I shared my bookmarks there, so can't possibly know whom was doing what with the content I shared. Seems to me the only real difference is that the bookmarks - oops, pins - on pinterest are visual. Did this mean I might have violated someone's copyright just as violently if I shared a bookmark on delicio.us?

Second question. Might this not all be avoided if pinterest would give us the option of making some pins private? Imagine if you got to a website, saw a design idea that you wanted to pin, and got a little pop-up that said "this website doesn't have a "pin it" button. Anything you pin from here must be private." We're all visual people, and I can't speak for anyone else, but it's much easier to find a bookmark quickly when I can see what I'm looking for.

Which leads me to my third question. Obviously any design on the internet can be ripped-off even without pinterest into the mix. OK, I'm not sure what the question is there, except perhaps "where's the fire?"

~pamela

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Sarah
03/08/2012 11:23

Hi Pamela -
Unfortunately, I am not familiar with delicio.us, so I really can't speak about it.

I think making pins private could help, because it won't encourage additional copying in the form of repins. But recognize that it is still technically making an unauthorized copy.

As to "where's the fire," the "fire" has been all around us for some time, but most people turn a blind eye. As I stated in the post, too many people think that just because something is on the internet, they are free to copy it. So, yes, there is copyright infringement everywhere. But its sheer volume doesn't justify it. It leaves artists in a very awkward position: if they don't have a presence and show work on the internet, it's as if they don't exist; yet if they post on the internet they are forced to accept unauthorized copying of their work. And it really shouldn't be that way. We all know, you can't copy books. Thanks to Napster, we all know that it's not OK to copy and share music on the web without a license. And we all know it's not OK to copy software or a DVD. So why would copying images be different?

Even though copying is rampant all over the internet, I think Pinterest is going to bring this issue to the forefront because its site is so popular and because they themselves have made it even easier to make the copies.

Check out http://linkwithlove.typepad.com/. I really like the poster image they have on their site that goes through all the decision making steps one should take before posting an image. I especially like the step about getting permission before posting.

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pamela farmer
03/08/2012 15:05

Sarah,

delicio.us was a bookmarking site where you could store your bookmarks online rather than on your hard drive. To me, the parallels between any bookmarking site (like delicio.us) and pinterest are obvious.

I'm still very confused about all of this. Trying to pin more responsibly. And then you have to balance the opportunity for exposure with the cost of laboring alone in a very connected world...

Anyway, thank you for your very professional thoughts on this issue.

~pamela

03/08/2012 13:34

Great Blog! Thank you for trying to enlighten Pinterest users. I just had a discussion about this with a fellow quilter. She thought exactly what you said...if it's on the web, it's public domain...NOT! As a website owner with an antique textile business, I am always having images...and text...stolen. Many will link directly to my server and it sucks bandwidth...bandwidth I pay for! So they are not only stealing my property, but money, too. I have gladly sent pictures to people who ask, and who will site credit. I believe in sharing...but please ask first!
I have never had a Pinterest account, nor will I ever...I saw this as a problem from the very beginning.
Thank you!

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Sarah
03/08/2012 15:52

Dana - I'm hopeful that if nothing else, the potential issues surrounding Pinterest will help raise awareness of the existence of copyrights. Thanks for reading!

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03/08/2012 15:23

My biggest concern is that Pinterest has rights to reproduce your art. I just did an article on this a few days ago. http://kateharperblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/copyright-issues-around-pinterest.html

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Sarah
03/08/2012 15:58

Kate - Your post is interesting. You are right to be concerned about the extent of rights you transfer when you upload an image to Pinterest. If you read the Pinterest terms they say:

By making available any Member Content through the Site, Application or Services, you hereby grant to Cold Brew Labs a worldwide, irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, royalty-free license, with the right to sublicense, to use, copy, adapt, modify, distribute, license, sell, transfer, publicly display, publicly perform, transmit, stream, broadcast, access, view, and otherwise exploit such Member Content only on, through or by means of the Site, Application or Services.

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03/08/2012 16:02

It is so important to read a website's Terms of Service before uploading information or images. I just took all my photos off an Antique Blog/Social Media website because they updated their TOS to state that they could use any image for advertising purposes for their website. Uh uh. Call me a control freak.
Great article, Kate, I'm going to look at the other links now.

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03/08/2012 16:58

It is so important to read a website's Terms of Service before uploading information or images. I just took all my photos off an Antique Blog/Social Media website because they updated their TOS to state that they could use any image for advertising purposes for their website. Uh uh. Call me a control freak.
Great article, Kate, I'm going to look at the other links now.

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Sarah
03/08/2012 16:28

Here are some more interesting articles (from Kate's blog post above):
http://greekgeek.hubpages.com/hub/Is-Pinterest-a-Haven-for-Copyright-Violations
http://artists-bill-of-rights.org/news/campaign-news/pinterest-%11-our-view-of-this-project/
http://faso.com/fineartviews/40558/artists-upset-with-pinterest-over-copyright-issues-and-alleged-copyright-infringement
http://kbhilferlaw.com/blog/2012/02/28/pinterests-predicament-legal-issues-prevent-social-media-maturity/

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Kiera
03/08/2012 18:38

Finding out that Pinterest gives itself the right to sell any user submitted content was the LAST STRAW! I just removed all of my pin boards. It would be too much work to go back through them all and determine if the source had given permission for pinning, so I figured I'd make a clean sweep. It was hard, but I feel better about it.

I plan on staying away from that site for a while. In the meantime, I have 1 pin left in my account. It's an image from LinkWithLove.typepad.com that they are giving permission to pin. It's attached message tells Pinterest and the world that Pinterest needs to change its ways and help protect the copyright of artists.

This way I can at least try to counteract some of the damage I my have done by my giddy, careless days of pinning. I figured I've got about 50 followers, I can at least spread the message to them when they visit my board.

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pamela
03/09/2012 08:25

Sarah,

One more question, please. It doesn't seem you've addressed DCMA, which pinterest claims to abide by, in your article.

Thank you,
pamela

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Sarah
03/09/2012 09:12

Pamela - You're right. I didn't address the DMCA. Mostly because I am not addressing Pinterest's liability in the article, but that of its users. Whether or not Pinterest has complied with DMCA won't be of much assistance to the user, who creates unauthorized copies and whose actions Pinterest doesn't control.

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pamela
03/10/2012 10:36

I've found a visual bookmarking site where you can decide to share your boards with others, or keep them private. Take a look at clipix.com if you're interested. I'm keeping my boards there private since they're only for my own inspiration. Meanwhile I'm limiting my boards on pinterest, but sticking around mostly for the social aspects. From now on all my content there will only be from sites with a "pin it" button.

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08/24/2012 10:26

Nice post and you have got awesome response.

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